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vulgalour
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#581 Post by vulgalour »

Today is Valentine's Day so I spent it with one I love.

That meant making a concerted effort to get the old girl running again. I decided against redoing the wiring at this moment in time, I can and will do it at a later date. I'd rather get the car working before worrying about all the prettiness. What I had originally thought was a strange headlight split on the wiring loom turned out to be a separate feed to a switch on the column shroud (a switch that's never done anything and I'd never really figured out) to operate the fan, really common giffer mod to the Princess and to any car with overheating issues. It will be removed but for now the wire has been re-routed in front of the radiator along the stock wiring loom rather than around the back of the engine bay where it doesn't really fit.
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Removed the flat disc horn and refitted the two snails, which have been tested and found to be working. That gets rid of some clutter in front of the battery too. I've got a twin-tone air horn and an Oogah horn, one of which I'll likely fit instead in the future as they're a good bit louder than the snails and the Oogah horn certainly makes other drivers/pedestrians pay attention (or at least it did when I had it in my old Mk2 Polo)
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The starter motor turned out quite well and bolted up fairly easily. Alignment was not difficult and it tidies up a previously ugly and grimy part of the engine. Once the oil filler tube is blanked off and the wiring rewrapped this area will look much improved, it's a bit cluttered at the moment.
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After this it was a case of bolting the battery tray, expansion bottle bracket, coil bracket (which had to be straightened so it fit better), coil, distributor, expansion bottle and a minor reroute of various bits of wiring to make everything tidy before attempting to fire up the car.
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It really is a messy engine bay, there are areas I can improve things, just going to require a bit of effort. First fire attempt wasn't that successful, it was definitely a timing issues as spark and fuel were getting through. I had remembered the bad fuel from before and the loose bolts so we went through all that again and then rechecked the timing to find I'd set the static timing correctly but not the ignition timing, once that was done the car fired up on the first turn of the key.

MUCH HAPPINESS.


Then we turned it off because the thermostat cap was chucking water out all over the belts and alternator. I'll get a new cap and then run the car up to temperature before retorquing the head bolts. This means I can now drive the car in and out of the unit for doing things like welding and brakes and that makes life a LOT easier.
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#582 Post by vulgalour »

The brakes were going to be done yesterday but the weather was appalling up here. Instead they got done today. When the rear displacer went I swapped out a complete arm, displacer and brake drum assembly but never got it sorted beyond that. I can't remember if this was done before or after the MoT. I do know there was an advisory on a pretty serious imbalance on the back brakes and a virtually ineffective handbrake. Today I got the car in the air and whipped the wheels off. Driver's side brake drum was behaving properly and adjusted as it ought so I left that alone. The passenger side drum was sticking on very badly, even with all the tension taken out of the cable so something was definitely up.

Bit of time with a hammer saw the drum freed off enough to move properly and then I could get the hub split open to get a look inside.
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The shoes were stuck to the drums, there was corrosion, random crud and not too healthy looking inside. A suitable amount of meat still on the shoes for them not to need replacing at least. I decided to do the least I could get away with and cleaned everything in situ, checked the operation of the cylinder and unseized the automatic adjuster. After a little while it was all clean enough to go back together and would release and activate as it should. For the first time since I've owned the car the handbrake is now strong enough to stall the car if you set off with it on and the brakes themselves are superbly reactive... oh yes, I drove the Princess around the yard a bit today! I'll bleed the brakes another day, Mike was busy fighting gearboxes so couldn't help me out with that, then the brakes should be better yet.

Had a bit of a poke around while the wheel was off and found another hole when I decided to peel back some loose underseal in the arch. Getting bored of finding these little holes everywhere now.
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This crosstube mounting bracket is very tired and needs to be replaced. I've got some spares in stock so I'll try those out. It should be fine for MoT but it won't take long before it's knocking and spoiling the ride. The nut is what holds the pivot shaft for the trailing arm in place and should sit centrally in the metal hole.
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I also noticed that the bottom of one of the rear displacers, the one I replaced, has started to crumble away in that way they do. There's nothing I can realistically do about this, welding it would risk destroying the diaphragm. Replacing it is equally not an option, parts availability is very poor. I just have to hope it won't burst too soon.
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Here's a video review of the Princess now she's running, first time I've used the video function on this camera. Timing is pretty close to perfect now but the exhaust has a bad blow that needs fixing. The visible emissions from the exhaust are... well there aren't any now. This car has always had a little puff of smoke out the exhaust but now there's nothing at all, replacing those stem seals when I rebuilt the head must have been a good idea.
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There are some issues to note. The rocker cover oil filler cap need replacing, it leaks a lot. I've got a replacement thermostat and expansion bottle cap in the post as the current ones are well past their best, you can see the thermostat cap leaking badly with a bodged gaffer tape temporary seal rigged up just to allow me to drive the car around the yard and get it up to temperature to re-torque the head as per the book.

Most surprising of all was finding out the fan over-ride toggle on the steering column shroud now works. It never used to as far as I can recall and all I've done that might have affected it is to re-route the wire more sensibly and clean up the contact for the fan. I did investigate replacing the front sphere today and sadly there wasn't enough time to do that, instead I cleared some surface rust off a few places and gave it a splash of beige to tidy up while I still had a bit of daylight to work with.

All in all, a feel good day was had today.


Oh, and on Friday I collect my Renault 6TL, just so you know.
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#583 Post by rich. »

roll on friday! :D
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#584 Post by vulgalour »

It was an early start today, for me at least, Mike (my co-pilot for the day) is far better at mornings than I am. Up at 8am, at the trailer place a smidge after 9am and then on our way to Wales. There was an horrendous jam on the M62 that added an extra hour onto our journey and was pretty tiring which meant more breaks than usual for us and for Blake-dog which meant even though we had set off at 9am we hadn't arrived until 4:30pm. We gather from the radio that there had been a broken down lorry shutting an adjacent three lane motorway down to just one and causing massive tailbacks as a result. The weather was reasonable, trailer was an absolute dream to tow and the weather was pretty good... right up until just after getting into Wales. It's traditional for it to be raining when I visit Wales.
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Never really manifested into anything serious. We had to make a few more stops than usual as farty dog was with us, occasionally committing biological warfare on us. Satnav took us the correct way and apart from a minor hiccup when Mike put the car onto a soft verge, and promptly started to bog it down less than a mile from MrDuke's (the caretaker of the Renault for the past year or so) residence. Happily, I have some experience of unbogging cars and we were soon back on the single lane track and pulling in to see what I'd let myself in for.

MrDuke and Lady_MrDuke were perfect hosts, they come highly recommended, top people who even sorted some grub out for Mike and I on our arrival which was very generous. I don't think I can ever thank them enough for keeping hold of the Renault while my life fell to bits and was slowly glued back together over the course of the last year, there ought to be more people like that in the world.

By the time we'd nattered and procrastinated and let Blake run around the Duke gardens and generally make a pest of himself we thought it might be a good idea to load up the Renault. I have had a poke around the car and found it surprising in a number of ways... more on that at a later date. Sadly, because the light was failing my Spot The Difference picture didn't quite turn out as I'd hoped. It's close enough. First picture is of the caretaker's Xantia estate the day he collected the car, the second picture is my Xantia estate the day I collected the car.

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It was then time to make the long trek home. The roads were a lot quieter, the weather not so bad and the Xantia was extremely competent. After the debacle Mike had with the 16' trailer he hired from another company we came to the conclusion he must have hired a pretty bad trailer. This one had working brakes and if it weren't for the Renault peering in through the back window all the way home you'd hardly know it was there. There was only one stop for fuel when I put £30 in the tank, I needn't have bothered, the Xantia would have done it on the tank of fuel in the car, still annoyed that I accidentally filled up with premium diesel but at least the cost is offset by the veg oil. You know what fuelling up means...
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We carried on until we needed something to perk us up rather than Blake's chemical warfare. We stopped off at Wetherby for emergency coffee and emergency cabin venting.
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Beautiful.
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Then on to the unit where we offloaded the trophy. Amusingly, just as we were securing the trailer for the night Mike's brother appeared in a police van (Mike's brother is a police man) and we got a 'What is it' from the police officer with him and a 'that's HORRIBLE' from Mike's brother. Obviously that means it's an excellent purchase. It is the most comically bouncy car I've ever encountered too, suspension travel must be measured in metres and the seats are ridiculously softly sprung.
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Once I've had a daylight poke around I'll provide a fuller update of the car itself. The round trip was 450 miles.
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#585 Post by rich. »

good read... :thumbs:
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#586 Post by kevin »

Great road trip and even better project.
I used to tow a large caravan with my (at the time) company car - a brand new 2.0 hid xantia and to be fair it was superb.

Looking forward to some daylight pics

Kev
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#587 Post by vulgalour »

I've been persistently surprised by the Xantia's competence. It might not be a quirky Citroen but it's certainly a very well designed one for everyday use.

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First thing I wanted to do was deal with the flat tyre. This is the most comprehensively knackered tyre I've seen to date.
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The French do have this habit of putting spare wheels in cages under the car, which is fine, but you never need to change a wheel when you're having a lovely picnic it's always when you have to lie down in the dark in a wet grass verge near some dog poo. Always. Look at that floor!
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The spare is an old Michelin XZX, quite possibly the original for the car. It is probably fitted, like the rest on the car, with an inner tube.
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It is also flat, but not completely. I could not for the life of me get the air compressor to work and haven't got a back-up manual pump so it has to stay flat. Let's have another look underneath shall we? I've already shown you my amazing boot floor, less amazing is the remains of the backbox. Realistically, the Renault needs a complete exhaust. It looks like it's made from the steel equivalent of McDonald's milkshake straws so I doubt it'll be a pricey system.
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Rear trailing arm mounting point appears to be really solid, this is a good thing. Everything needs a clean out and the drums (so tiny!) need opening for inspection. I'm really amazed by all this.
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Inner arches are also in great condition, very well. I guess this is the advantage of the Protectol (British and best) Vehicle Rustproofing it got early in life.
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Look at these floors!
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It is letting water in, which we know about, just a case of finding out where from. Rolled the back seat forward and mopped out the water in there. Gave things a vacuum too and found it all very tidy.
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MrDuke had already removed the front seats which meant getting the floors dried out would be easier. There is some blistering to the floor pan inside, I wanted to let it dry out before poking anything.
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Once it had dried out I vacuumed it and found the blistering was paint flakes, the metal while thin (all the bodywork metal on this car is SUPER thin!) appears to be solid and not pitted, I'm absolutely blown away by this. As soon as feasible I'll get it de-rusted and repainted to keep it solid.
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The parcel shelf under the dashboard is damp, Still investigating where the water is getting in.
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MrDuke has done some work on the dash, particularly the stylish metal trim, and it's in really good condition, it needs a detailed fettle, which it will get.
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With the floors having dried out a lot more it was evident that this was an exceptionally solid bit of the car. There's no evidence of patching or repairs, just some seam sealant round the edges over what looks like original black paint. It's possible it's had replacement floor pans early in its life. You can just see the car's original colour peeping out under the dash which isn't green but rather a nice metallic blue.
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#588 Post by vulgalour »

After all that it was time to go water leak hunting, a job I dislike at the best of times and not one I fancied doing today, needs must as it's easier to do it now with the car interior in bits. Rust stains are really useful here, they give a visual clue, that meant I could easily find the most likely route water is getting into the boot.
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Quite a bit of water is getting in and sitting in the passenger side front. This one is a bit confusing, there's no obvious route I could see for it so I carried on looking.
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If you look on the leading edge of the driver's door here (door card removed) you can see a rust stain running down from the door card holder rail. Water was getting in between the moisture membrane and the door card, running down the rail and into the foot well, or at least that's what the rust stains hint at.
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So, when you're getting water in the front footwells it pays to check the scuttle section. Sure enough, the drains that should go down the A pillars behind the wings were completely blocked both sides. These wings are coming off anyway so I'll clean up behind them even better at a later date.
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All cleaned out and tidy again.
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Bit of cleaning on the interior. The seats are in REALLY good condition but filthy as anything. I had thought the parcel shelf wasn't, it look seriously badly faded. Amazingly, it was just a thick layer of dust as you can see from this half-and-half. The parcel shelf is by no means perfect underneath the dust but it's far better than I'd hoped for.
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Stuck the seats back in. It might look like two single seats but you can scootch across the car side to side like it has benches, there's only just enough space between them for the seatbelt stalks thanks to the gear lever and umbrella handle handbrake being dash mounted. The seats are also phenominally comfortable.
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It's been a stunning day here today so the car got really well aired out and was almost bone dry when it came time to pack up.
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The paint is hilariously bad. At some point this car was metallic blue, repainted with flat green, done inside and out but prepared badly. However, the spare front door appears to have been metallic green, painted metallic blue and then painted a different metallic blue on the outside again. Sadly, the overpaint on the car is quite fragile, you can brush it off without trying too hard so I'm not sure how much of the current patina will survive, perhaps it will develop into something even more interesting?
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The big job I needed to do were the gutters. Where the roof is crushed the gutters are in bad shape on the outer skin but happily not on the inner skin. They can be repaired, I'm under no illusion it's going to be difficult. I got them both a lot straighter and I can probably salvage the damaged stainless gutter trim which is badly kinked and dented in places.
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I did get some of the bad passenger side dent out when I straightened the gutter. I'm going to have to remove the headlining, which is annoying as it's perfect and well fitted. If I remove the headlining I can get the hammer and dolly out and get the metal back to shape properly, it reshapes really easily so this damage isn't as bad as it seemed. The problem is that this side the gutter has started to erode the roof and the two skins have separated. Again, it's repairable but it is going to be difficult.
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I found a spare set of keys in the Stuff that came with the car, the rusty one is for the blue door and works, the brass one I think is an old AA phone box key. The workbench wire wheel thing worked a treat on the rusty key and I shall keep it this way rather than getting a new one as it works perfectly well.
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If anyone has a spare headlight do let me know. I suspect that's going to be a very difficult part to source as I need a RHD one.
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That's your lot for today. This is a super little car that's far more solid than expected. The roof repairs are scary but not impossible, I'm considering getting some silicone sealant to plug the gaps until the car is otherwise sorted so that water doesn't get in where it's not wanted.
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#589 Post by kevin »

I'd steer clear of silicone sealant as that may cause issues later at the paint stage.
A decent tarp and some rope will keep the weather out better.
Seems a really good base for a project tho, well done

Kev
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Re: '80 & '81 Austin Morris Princess and a '75 Renault 6TL

#590 Post by vulgalour »

It was suggested I use duct tape, that's probably the easiest short-term solution until I weld up the gutters properly.
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