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Re: It's Only a Mini !

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:43 pm
by tractorman
I fear Cybermat is missing the point about a Mini when mentioning Corsa/Fiesta or whatever. It's not that they were a supercar; it's because they broke new ground and were something that almost gave birth to the flood of FWD cars that followed it. OK, Citroen had FWD many years earlier, but the Mini moved the concept "mainstream" and, perhaps more importantly, captured the spirit of the sixties.

When I bought my Hornet (in early '71), it wasn't just because I wanted a Mini: I'd have preferred a van of some sort - but was more or less pushed to a Mini by the local garage, who said that if it broke down, any garage would be able to sort it. The Transit has similar status - most van-owners have driven one and most country garages have repaired them - though my neighbour (who worked for the local Ford commercial dealer) came unstuck working on a Merc van that had come in to the garage in part-exchange for a new Transit!

I'm not starting a "what's a classic" argument, but there are some cars that broke new ground ( Morris Minor, Mini, Mk1 Golf GTI and - arguably - the Ford Sierra spring to mind). None are "supercars" and none would have been thought of as classics, but they had a major influence in the design of cars that followed.

The pictures of early Minis does bring back some childhood memories. One of my aunts had a run of new Minis from 1962 (WTY 53) until the "A" prefixed one she has when she died in 1985 (or so). As a young lad, the new cars impressed me (compared to our boring old Minor Travellers!). As an adult, travelling from Haydon Bridge to Newcastle (General Hospital) in the winter of 78/9 in my aunt's car was almost purgatory! My mother used to do the Penrith - Haydon Bridge leg of the trip in her Marina - it was a much nicer car (but not ground breaking like a Mini was!)

Re: It's Only a Mini !

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:57 pm
by cybermat
I do appreciate the Mini don't get me wrong it was and still is a style icon of its day and I would love one, I do think though that they have spiralled wildly out of control as collectors have gone mini crazy.

When faced with Paying £19k odd for this pretty white E-type
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C321133

or just under 20k for this 1990 - (admittedly no mileage) mini
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C289485

I would be very likely to sway in the direction of the E-type.

The Toyota IQ is an innovative car of today but in 30 years I'd be more likely to spend on a Jaguar XK or R series etc if the money was totting up about the same. I wouldn't mind if there were only a few of the little rascals left but there are millions of them.

I suppose its down to what you like - I'm sure some would buy neither and get a land rover instead ;)

Re: It's Only a Mini !

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:44 pm
by JPB
The IQ is sluggish to the point of being unsuitable for the daily grind, cramped in the front as a result of its pointless inclusion of that token rear seats and frankly only its marginally better ride quality makes it a [distantly] viable alternative to the Smart ForTwo which genuinely was a clean sheet design when it came out in 1998.
Then there's the IQ's awful CVT vs the Smart's conventional Getrag 5 speed gearbox (I'll concede that the earlier Smart's 3 speed + splitter transmission was far too sluggish to change but as my recently imported 450 is a fun car that I shall be rebuilding purely so that I get to know the design in depth by the time the 451 comes out of warranty in 2014 and the 451 does the daily duty that doesn't matter here), the dreadful brakes in the Toyota - though they're just the same as a great many modern cars' overservoed, numb efforts - and the complete absence of visibility through the rear quarters of the thing.
When I knew that I'd be unable to continue using the Dolomite as a daily car I tried both before - in the absence of any suitable mini autos on the market at the time - buying the one that genuinely is "different" and I can legitimately say that I drive a spaceframed, mid-engined 2 seater with paddle shift and an amazing engine that started its life in a boat. :lol:

Nah, the IQ will be forgotten along with the rest of the dull stuff while I, at long last, have captured my mini auto. Not quite the MK1 or MK2 850 that I'd envisaged, it's a genuine (Cord) factory GRP monocoque which as the mini avocados among you will know means that it's not in the UK yet. Oops. :roll:
I don't suppose that anyone's heading Venezuela way in an empty boat any time soon? I've had quotes from people who reckon they'd drive the thing to the states and sort the shipping from there. Yeah, that should work once I find a suitable power unit and front subframe for it! :oops:

Re: It's Only a Mini !

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:01 pm
by arceye
JPB wrote:

Nah, the IQ will be forgotten along with the rest of the dull stuff while I, at long last, have captured my mini auto. Not quite the MK1 or MK2 850 that I'd envisaged, it's a genuine (Cord) factory GRP monocoque which as the mini avocados among you will know means that it's not in the UK yet. Oops. :roll:
I don't suppose that anyone's heading Venezuela way in an empty boat any time soon? I've had quotes from people who reckon they'd drive the thing to the states and sort the shipping from there. Yeah, that should work once I find a suitable power unit and front subframe for it! :oops:

Now that is where we have got it wrong in this supposed great Britain, isn't that originally a British Fisher Panels GRP shell designed in the sixties that ended up being made in Venezuela in the nineties, why the hell did the British car industry go so wrong :( . We could have cornered the market in virtually rot free minis.....

Re: It's Only a Mini !

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:00 pm
by JPB
Absolutely correct, but by bringing a miniCord into the UK, something I first thought about long ago only to give it up as a dumb plan at the time, I feel that I'll be redressing the balance to some extent. Assuming that the next quote I get for shipping is cheaper than a house! :o :evil: