Early Javelin Restoration
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Onwards a bit further - Keith had fitted the O/S/R wing prior to the restoration show but I was far from happy with alignment against the door
I needed to get the wing lower in order to match the lower curvatures of the door There is a chrome trim that masks the wing aperture line so I just packed the wing down with some washers on a temporary basis Which gave me the required alignment 1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Now Rich requested a tutorial on lead loading so here goes - Lead loading is the old school method for making up shallow areas in panel work - going back 40 - 50 years it would have been used by all vehicle manufactures to fill seam lines / panel joints etc over where a final paint finish would have been applied - they had no polyester / catoly / 2 pack fillers available in those days. Restorers still use it today - it gives a more original repair - the vast majority still use a good quality polyester filler to achieve a final profile over the lead but this is just a fine skimming and not a bucket load !
First you need a clean bare metal surface - free of rust / dust / paint etc - lead loading is purely to make the depression / shallow area up - it is not be used for the filling of rust perforated holes or structural repairs Paint on a good quality solder paste - this is a solder bound flux - it's not cheap but its good - only cover a area of say 150mm x 150mm at a time (cover more and you will find that the paste has dried out with the heat before you get to it) Then with a suitable narrow flame (you can just see the blue flame to the left of the picture - you could use a standard blowtorch but you need a fine nozzle / tip for it - use a wide flame and you will have no end of problems) Carefully heat a small area of the solder paste until it fluxes - you need a well ventilated area - don't apply too much heat or you will begin to distort the panel - has the paste fluxes and the solder starts to run - remove the heat and wipe the fluxed area clean with a damp cloth - take care not to wipe off the rest of the solder paste that you have yet to heat - working methodically complete the process in sections until you have tinned the area that you wish to lead load Should look like this once you have the area tinned - I will post the next steps when I return home a little later today1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Next step is load the lead to the panel
This is body solder - available from several outlets - or you can buy a lead loading kit has a starter pack Then apply the lead - heat the stick not the panel - just enough heat to get the stick to soften - too much heat and it will just become too fluid and run down the panel - I heat the tip of the stick and keep turning it over every few seconds - a little pressure on the stick will help - you need to break away sections of the stick and get them on to the panel in dabs / dots at spaced intervals - don't worry about shape or how it looks for now - If you are attempting this for the first time choose a flat panel / horizontal surface like the top of a wing or if its a door remove it from the car and it lay flat on a bench or workmate and attempt the smaller repair areas whilst you gain confidence - I have picked the most awkward panel possible - large area of multiple compound curvatures over a vertical panel - if you have the car on a chassis tilter you could angle the car to more workable angle rather than a sheer vertical face Lead loading paddles - normally beech or maple they are different types for achieving different shapes - if you are handy with woodwork you could make your own but they are relatively cheap (usually £7 - £10 each) Tallow is what is used for preventing the lead sticking to the paddle face and be seen to the lower of the image with the flat paddle Carefully heat the lead on the panel - don't heat the panel - it will distort and your lead will run off the panel - just enough heat to soften the lead - work in small areas at a time - use the paddle with slight pressure to push / spread the lead over the repair area - keep adding a little tallow to the paddle this will help when working the lead - work from the bottom of the panel upwards - this prevents the tallow running onto the areas where you have yet to work the lead - you are not looking for a perfect flat surface - just work it so that you achieve a loose profile of the panel - if you overload the panel then you create more work for yourself - too little and you will still have a depression that you will have add further lead to. Over the larger areas it is not unusual to have load the area a couple of times - best skill to have is good hand to eye coordination - you need to learn when the lead is just soft enough - and to move the heat away at the right time whilst also reapplying the heat at the right time.1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Ok once you have the lead roughly into shape you will need to wash the tallow off the lead before attempting to shape it - I use panel wipe but any spirit based product will do - once clean you start shaping - there is no reason why you cannot remove the tops / rough with a flap wheel fitted to an angle grinder but please wear the correct personal protection
Anything less than this little lot and you will not be doing your health any favours This is a body file and is just the tool for the job - it can be adjusted to be flat / concave / convex dependant upon the panel profile - just work it in a forwards motion and it will soon indicate any high / low spots in the work area Still some way off yet but with some additional work it will soon be in profile I also have a rigid radius bodyfile the internal curvatures1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Has the profile forms you can hand block with either 60 / 80 grade production paper http://www.fertan.co.uk/Item-Fertan%20r ... verter.htm which resolves any surface rust issues. So there you go - appears to be a lot of work / faff - but the job gets done properly with a lasting repair and not two buckets of polyester filler. I use this company for my body solder / lead supplies - they do starter kits - attend most of the major shows but will also post out goods http://www.lb-restoration.co.uk/cgi-bin ... mmerce.cgi
You could also use an orbital sander to finish off if required but again please remember the personal protection kit (I don't want any of you falling over from lead poisoning) It's important to keep checking apertures and the profiles with adjoin panels - the difference in steel / lead areas becomes obvious has you work the area The shallow areas shown in the image shall be reloaded with lead to bring the area flush But nearly there ! Once you have completed an area you will notice surface / flash rust start to form within the surrounding areas due to the powerful flux that you have been using - don't be alarmed by this - just complete the rest of your lead loading then redress the surface areas by rubbing back with production paper or a orbital sander. Immediately prior to paint I use a rust conversion product called 'Fertan' 1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Couple more images taken by one of my fellow JCC members of works progress on the car
Leadwork Dent / shallow removal by use of spot welded studs which are then drawn back by a slide hammer great for accessing double skinned or inaccessible panels1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
Re: Early Javelin Restoration
thanks mate! you make it look easy
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Bit more progress today in applying more lead to the O/S/R wing and lower edge of the door to get the profiles to match
It's not far away at all now - I could do with my DA sander being returned from warranty repair just to get the final profiles but really pleased with the panel fit and aperture gapping now (Javelins had dreadful aperture gapping from new) - Managed to do bit of reshaping and a minor bit of welding to the O/S/F door too and that is now ready for taking off and leading whilst laid flat (lead loading is much easier when you have horizontal panels over vertical ones)1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
Re: Early Javelin Restoration
What's lead loading like for mess? Compared to the sanding you have to do on polyester fillers, it always seems really tidy and much less hassle to clean up after when you're doing a big job. Really informative to see some in progress shots of lead loading, each person I've seen do this does it the same way and totally differently, if that makes sense?
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Re: Early Javelin Restoration
Very little mess is created whilst lead loading - I normally have a catch tray under my work area when loading up - the shaping back creates a little more debris - but this is heavy so falls straight to the floor unlike the polyester fillers which just put dust everywhere. Has for undertaking the lead loading it's a little like spraying we all have our own ways - some will start at the top and work down - others at the bottom & work up it's all down to individual technique really.What's lead loading like for mess? Compared to the sanding you have to do on polyester fillers, it always seems really tidy and much less hassle to clean up after when you're doing a big job. Really informative to see some in progress shots of lead loading, each person I've seen do this does it the same way and totally differently, if that makes sense?
1937 Jowett 8 - Project - in less pieces than the Jupiter
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
1943 Jowett Stationary Engine
1952 Jowett Jupiter - In lots of peices http://Jowett.org/
1952 Jowett Javelin - Largely original
1973 Rover P6 V8 - Original / 22,000 miles
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