V6 into a RHD Chrysler Neon mk1

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#21 Post by Mitsuru » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:23 pm

The pictures of yesterdays work

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Then I went and bought some chain and a D-link after I did a bit of food shopping.
I came home utilizing the bolt holes off all those bits I removed off the engine and
gearbox, I bolted the chain up.
Well see for yourself!!

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Whoops forgot about that chock of wood in the engine bay!! I'll get that in the morning.
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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#22 Post by pryantcc » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:55 am

Well that's one big step completed! Great work! I'm looking forward to seeing you fill that engine bay back up!

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#23 Post by Mitsuru » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:25 pm

Todays task moving the engines and car around so that the V6
was infront of the car and garage so easier to work on and try
in the engine bay for templates for brackets etc
Now for pictures of what came out and whats going in!!

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As you can see the brake master cylinder and alternator would clash.
And to make it easier to reorganise I might go for a 2 belt type layout,
similar to the neon's original engine.

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#24 Post by Mitsuru » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:33 am

On todays do list for the V6

Remove
Power Steering Pump
Alternator
A/C Compressor
Side Engine Mount
Transmission Mount

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Bugger I wondered what I did with that spanner!!

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#25 Post by Mitsuru » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:43 pm

I had the egine and box up and hanging above the engine bay,
I was hoping a might just be able to drop it straight in!!
Then I remembered how I got the old one out, at an angle,
and without anything on it!
So engine an box back done an started by removing the alloy
intake manifold, the rear engine mount, the fuel rail, & cruise
control servo.

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And I made a boob, I dropped a bolt down one of the intake holes!
That will be the next thing to do, get it out with a magenet.
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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#26 Post by Mitsuru » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:07 am

I managed to finally get the rear exhaust manifold off,
after hacksawing through the bolts.

Mother called my friendly garage about a car they have for sale.
She was told by Gary the owner and head mechanic about an
interesting phone call he had just had!

The company he had sent my ECU to had called him, and asked
why the ECU had been sent. His response was that it needed to
have the SKIM (sentry key Immobiliser) code removed.
They then asked 'Why?'
Gary's response was stating that it was going in a different car.
They then apparently asked 'Why?' to that as well!

I could only imagine what Gary was thinking about the person on
the other end of the phone, or if he thought that he had made a
mistake sending the ECU to them!
I'm Diabetic,& disabled BUT!! NOT DEAD YET!!

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#27 Post by Mitsuru » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:10 pm

jimbo in MI wrote:Couple thoughts:

At first I was envisioning you would keep the P/S where it is on 3.3, but convert to v-belt.
Seems like it would be low enough to clear the brake master cylinder. You could then move
the alternator up front either above or in place of the A/C, using the serp belt. It will be very
tough to keep the A/C and P/S- space is tight. I kept it simple and eliminated the A/C.
This is the rough sketch I sent
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jimbo in MI wrote: In your drawing I imagine the alternator will be v-belt and the other side will be serpentine?
V-belt do not really like to be run on the back side like the water pump would be. The other
consideration is if a v-belt will have enough "friction" to drive the A/C and P/S. My experience
tells me it will be tough, that is where a wider belt will help.

Your way is nice because it will keep everything roughly in the same place as Neon. Everything
is rotating proper direction. The only thing you do not show is a way to tension the belts. Watch
the clearance between your front belt and the motor mount- it looks very close to hitting on paper.

The last consideration is the amount of space available. The serp belt system I used is pretty
compact, but I am still within 1"-1.5" (25mm-40mm?) of the frame rail.
On the UK mk1 Neons the Power steering pump is ona pivoted bracket which is used to tension
the V belt that drives the power steering pump and the A/C.
As for clearance of the frame I'm thinking of reusing a belt roller off the serpintine layout to help
clearance around it if possible.

Both Jimbo and my self have wondered about the differences with the crank pullies, so after 4 days
3 pulley pullers and a lot of swearing the 4 pot pulley came off. Then I turned my attentions to the
v6's pulley, 20 fecken minutes and most of that was I was trying to stop the family dog getting in
the way!! Pictures below of the reverse of bothe the V6 is on the right the left is the standard neon.

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A sleeve can be put on the Neon's crank pully to make it fit tightly onto the V6's shaft, apparently
any good machine shop can do this acording to my friendly mechanic. The question is how much?

Also as I removed the injector rail the O-rings were in a bad state.
Just boought a kit with the following components:

* 6 Upper Viton O-Rings
* 6 Lower Viton O-Rings
* 6 High Flow Replacement Filters

For £14.00 including postage from the USA thats a lot cheaper than the dealers.
I'm Diabetic,& disabled BUT!! NOT DEAD YET!!

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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#28 Post by JPB » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:46 pm

The o/p wrote:The question is how much?
Around £30 HERE.

Proper olde-worlde loco builders who aren't averse to making do and fabricating ones off, about 13 miles North of the Toon, if that helps.

That's what they would have charged to modify a pulley from an A-series engine to run a supercharger on the R850 motor in this:
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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#29 Post by Mitsuru » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:54 pm

Sorry I should read what I type more closely
But looking after 2 dogs with Kennel cough,
I got a little distracted when they throw up everywhere.
The Neon's is on the right and the V6's is on the left.
My bad!!
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Re: RHD Neon with v6 Engine to be installed!

#30 Post by JPB » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:58 pm

The procedure would cost the same either way, it's their favourite number.
J
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